Control+Shift+Lead - Unlocking Leadership Potential: Time Management, Trust, and Leading with Love (with Scott Garvis)

Are you a school leader striving for excellence? Do you crave actionable strategies and fresh perspectives to navigate the challenges of education today? Get ready to take charge. This is Control Shift Lead, giving you something to control, something to shift your thinking, and something concrete to help you lead your school. With Jim Witchman of Inspired. Edification and Adam Bush of AWB Education, your journey to empowered leadership starts now. Welcome back to Control a Shift Lead, the podcast for educators who are ready to make an impact that maybe even level up. I'm Jim Witchman. I'm here as always with my co host Adam Bush. Adam, I saw what you did there in the opening. I like it. I mean, might as well just be honest with it right there, Jim, that's awesome. How are you good? Good, good, good, good, alive and well and beautiful West Virginia. The middle of West Virginia. See a lot of deer. I'm looking out my window. I see three right now. I turn to wouldn't see him the computer there? Hey, Adam, I got to tell you we got a fantastic I'm really excited about this because it's not only really first guest, it's one of our good friends here, Scott Jarvis. Fantastic episode lined up. As you know, as we all know, every month we bring you three things, something we can control, something we can shift your thinking, and something to help us lead. This week, we're honored to have, like I said, our good friend, special guest who embodies all three of those. He's not only an expert in athletic administration, the cree is the current executive director of Iowa High School Athletic Directors Association, a leadership consultant, and a fantastic author and guest speaker. The dude might rival my energy, that's for sure. Hey, hey, please when please join us in welcoming our friend Scott Jarvis. Got so much for being on the show today. I appreciate you both, and I will say this being able to work with both of you when we spent some time at Achney together, when you reached out like this is going to be really fun. Yeah, yeah, I've been looking forward to for a while. It'll be something sure. Yeah, that's great. Well, Scott, what have you been doing lately here? I know it's been a little while since we've run into each other. What's what's the Scott Jarvis tour look like. It's been absolutely insane. I've traveled all over the country and even now the world. I've had opportunities to speak in Central America, nice speaking all over the country. It's been so fun. As you both know. I mean, we learned so much through this journey we go through in education and for me, education based athletics and why that is so important. But so many times I've heard this over and over again. I was talking to doctor Baggers from Florida State University. He was he was saying this. In the business world, there are so many resources and tools available for leaders whether it's coaching, whether it's you know, mental health training, whether it's a leadership training, it's everywhere it's prevalent, and education there's so little. So the work Adam that and Jim that you're both doing is so important to schools and I've I've been blessed to now go and you know, speak across the country and even around the world, and it just always blows me away the people that are out in education and the great work that they do every day, and just the great need there is out there for more and more training and leadership development for these people that are out in school. So I appreciate what you both do because it is so important to our educational foundation, in our education system in general. YEA, yeah, there's a lot of passion there. Wow for passion, I love it. Yeah. I got to tell you that when I was growing up, one of the things I always wanted to be was an athletic director. And then when I learned what the job was, I might have slid that aside. I thought middle schools where it's out. What's been like the most rewarding thing at being an athletic director when you were I know you've been in a couple of different places, but what's been as an athletic director title? What was like your most rewarding vibor experience? I mean, honestly, it was the opportunity just to meet a bunch of amazing students, coaches, teachers. So you know, through this crazy rule of education, I've gotten to meet you know, Adam, he got to work with you, and and Jim got to work with you. I mean meet so many incredible people. So for me and my you know, journey and educational leadership, it's been about the people. The things I've learned. I just asked this question in my my podcast to a coach, I go talk to me about a time when a kid made you change the way you think about how you coach, And we could say the same for education. As a teacher, there was one kid that made you think about how I was gonna teach differently or how I'm to coach differently because you learned something from that kid. I was probably that kid in school that the teacher and coach are like, rather slap me across the face, and teacher coached me I had But guess what, despite that, they saw something in me that I did not see myself, and they continued to work and chip away at the at the marble block or it might have been just the cheapest stone you could find, but they helped mold me into you know, I tell people all the time, if it wasn't from a high school football coach, I would never be sitting here talking to both you on this podcast. They had such an incredible impact on me and for me my passion, my purpose like can I help kids? Can I help coaches create experiences? Be moment makers for kids, for for communities, for schools. That makes it a better experience for each individual kid. So if I can just have a small piece of that and anybody I've had the chance to work with, or any kids I've had to, you know, the opportunity to try to impact or coaches, then I I can go to bed thinking like, Okay, I did something positive and good today. Adam, we got our we got our phrase already today I grab a phrase what Adam says. So I think you just trumped at him for I think you beat me. Hi know, no, Ken, I got to stop up my game here. I gotta get moment maker. Think about what that is. The people you talked about they saw potential in you, And I think about when teachers or coaches come in it isn't about anything more than the potential and seeing it in them instead of trying to be the world's greatest at that moment, see the potential and you, you, you created this, you stated moment maker. I'm writing that into our praise books. It's as teacher worthy, a T shirt worthy. I mean yes, and I don't like for as a coach coaches teachers saying and to me, it's the same thing. And if you go look up the original definition of a coach, it's a vehicle or a vessel that takes so many of importance from where they are to where they need to go. Love it. And so as a teacher and a coach, that's what we do with our kids. We provide them safe passage to the destination maybe they want to reach. But as educators, as teachers, as coaches, administrators, we might bring them on a on a crazy journey that brings them far beyond what they ever thought they could accomplish. So that is what's so exciting and for me fills my bucket is the opportunity that we have as educators to bring kids where they want to go or maybe even for they thought that they could ever go. Nice. I love that well, I tell you what, Scott, I am really looking forward to what we're going to get from me here as we talk about our three things. So we're gonna take a quick commercial break, folks, and we'll be right back. We're going to get into that control portion and we're going to see what Scott's got for us on what we control, what we can control in our world every day. So hang on here for just a second, all right, Welcome back to Control Shift Lead. We're here with our special guest Scott Jarvis. Scott, we've been talking about the things that are always within our power to change, and that's what this first segment is about what we can control as an athletic director, as a leader, as a teacher, as an you name it, educator. I know you've had to navigate some pretty tough situations. What are some things that you've learned that educators can control no matter what's happening around them. Yeah. I think I was asked this question a few years ago at the National Athletic Director Conference and they said it was a simple question, but it kind of caught me off guard, and I thank God for editing. They just asked me, how are you intentional as a leader? And I was like, Hugh, that is a great question, and a pause from it, and as I thought about it, it was being intentional with my time. So many times in education, we let so many things control our time. So how can we go and then take that time back? And I say this all the time. It is so easy in education to get bagged down with all the management garbage and all this stuff. And don't get me wrong, it is so important all that management stuff, but it's not why we got into education. We got into education for kids to make them better, to provide them again moments, to give them great experiences. And so I had a great mentor in Chuck Van Hack. And if anybody's from the eastern part of Iowa, Chuck Van is a mainstand muscatine. Like you can't say that the town musketine without mentioning his name, because he was so influential in so many people's lives. And I learned so much from him, and just showing amount of time And remember sitting in an office pounding away. I'm a computer, trying to find workers, trying to find officials, trying to get buses lined up. He goes, what are you doing. I'm like, well, I gotta get this done. I gotta get that done. He goes, You need to be out spending time with kids and coaches, going to practices, evaluating, seeing how kids are doing. You know, are good things happening, Find good things happening, catch coaches doing great stuff. You need to get your butt out behind the desk and go out and lead from in front, Go be present and not I did not know even at the time how important that that advice was. That just little peace because time is so valuable. It's probably the most value commodity we own. So I encourage educators, ads coaches make sure that I tried to put everything on my calendar. I mean, and I know that we get bogged down and it doesn't always happen, but I take time. Hey, I'm going to put together thirty minutes right here because I'm going to work on my coach's professional development for the week. Or I got an hour blocked off. Now something might pop up, I get a phone call, something, you know how it goes. Something happens, a kid does something on lunch trum and you got to go take care of a discipline issue, whatever that might be. But I have it on my calendar and I'm going to come back to it. You know. Obviously family is so important. I put all my kids events on my calendar because I felt like my calendar was owning me instead of owning my calendar. And I I'll tell you it's made It's helped me control what I can control. In education, it's hard to even do that sometimes, Like sometimes I have a hard time getting in my brain like all the things that we have to do in education that just seems like madness in the business world, They're like, what, but we have to we do it though we do, we find a way to do it. So for me it has been how do I control my time because that is where I can make impact. That is where you know, time builds trust, Time build relationships, time follow through develop that trust, so many things. I love this quote and it's Arthur Asham, probably dating myself here, famous tennis you know icon. He said trust only be developed over the passage of time. And I I think about that all the time, all the time because it is so important. I know you're mentioning the calendar thing, there's Scott, I was gonna you know, as you brought that up, it made sense to me. I had so many years ago I was doing the you know, two calendars. I had my personal calendars, goal counter all this other stuff, right, and they said, why are you doing that this a while? You know, keep working life separat goes Why you can't keep your work in life and your home life separate. Doesn't work that way? Said no, just put it on your calendar, make it a different color, or whatever else your brain needs to do. So you know the difference between them, But they are the same. You can't steal from either. You shouldn't steal from your home life for your work. I just put it together so you can see it. I think that's a great idea. There's there's a there's a I don't know if any of you heard Rod Olson. He wrote this book called The Legacy, and he talks about, you know, trying to be this person at school, this person at home, this person with your friends. You kind of start to have this identity crisis. You just need to be the same person everywhere you are, and that's really hard. To you know, what I'm grabbing from this more than anything else, is the being true, being real, stop lying to yourself is kind of what I'm getting there. Does your calendar own you or did you own the calendar? I'm gonna sit with that one for a while because I I used to let my calendar only because I thought it was easier. And then then, like you know Adam's tips of the different colors. I actually had Amy Northway, a counselor I work with one time. She she kind of helped me see and do some of that stuff. And then what I think is the biggest the author ash but bless your heart, if you don't think that we're the same age or older. But for your listeners, Jim, just. Okay, all right, all right, okay, But the part about it's pretty this is really about a perspective. But it's about being present. You said, go be president at practice a new thing, and then when you're president at practice, be present at practice. So you're not getting your phone out, You're not you know, texting your emails during their principles. Say to me today that she doesn't the one thing she did one thing, the other thing she does. She never answers email from her phone. So it's just like it's a step. It's not the end all game, but it's a step. And I really I really like that, just kind of summarizing everything you said. It comes down to time is precious, so treated as side chant and make the important things important and people are those important things, so be present with them. Yeah, it's good, and we're back with Scott Jarvis our guests today on Control Shift Lead. Before the break, we talked about what we can control in our professional lives and Scott was really kind of leading us into that the time and making it being intentional with how we utilize every minute now we're going to lead into and get his thoughts on how do we shift our thinking? Sometimes all it takes is a change in perspective to unlock a new solution or approach. And Scott, you kind of mentioned like the one of your mentors asked a question, and that question was kind of like, help shift your thinking. So what's a core belief or a piece of advice you'd have to shift your own thinking that maybe you've had or something that we can you know, that might challenge us to shift our thinking. Yeah, I think for me that shift is that the challenge or that that belief that as educational leaders, as principles, as athletic directors, as coaches, we're we're the only people that lead. And I think for me I had to refrain that from even for myself many times, maybe still to this day a little bit. But every coach, every teacher, every student athlete, every student is a leader in some sort of capacity. So right, so right, And here's what I'll say with that, And Adam and Jim, you guys have both been on teams and I think it is so important. And I just talked about this earlier today and another podcast I was on It is so important that people see valuing themselves with whatever organization, whatever group they're affiliated with, that belong in that sense of belonging. So is so so important, and so for them to feel like they lead, that they have ownership within whatever organization that might be. That could be business, that could be school, that could be a team, that could be a classroom. I think that is what really separates the great leaders from those who are just doing a good job. You know, have you know, have their curriculum in place, have good lesson plans. But I think what really separates the great coaches, the great teachers, the great administrators is that ability for us to be able to see value and see leadership potential in every single person. And that might be as simple as, hey, you know what, on the team, you might be the cheerleader. Hey, you might be the person who is the quiet leader, but they're always gonna set the good example. You might be the person that is gonna pick up after every single practice. You don't care if you're the senior or you're the star athlete. You're gonna picks. You're gonna make sure things are organized and picked up. And it takes everybody. It takes all those different people to create a great culture, and I think that sometimes we forget that as leaders, like we're not just about leading people, we're about creating more leaders. Building capacity is what I'm hearing you said. We're building, We're seeing the potential, We're building capacity. And I'm going to go back to something you started with and I heard Adam grab it as well. Everyone is a leader and we have to allow them to lead. So sometimes it's not necessarily following. It might be, but we have to allow them to lead. And I think I didn't really think of it as the as when we allow people to lead, that we're growing that sense of ownership too. But but I think back to what I was at Prairie Ridge Middle School. I mean, we're middle school. What middle schools want more than anything else, they want to belong. Look at the country right now. They want to belong. We just want to belong. And by being intentional with this building capacity so everybody's a leader, they could see what's all encompassing. Dang, that's a good one, I think too. You're talking about like those little acts, right, And I might be wrong, but I believe it was Jamal shed former Houston basketball player. There was a video that went viral of him after some game something has been bad, like the refts are awful, right, and there's garbage all over the place. And here's this top NBA draft pick could easily be a Prima Donna athlete. Right, what's he doing? Grabs a garbage can and he's picking up the garbage. I mean, he didn't have to do any of that, but that all of a sudden, then a teammate joins him, and another teammate joins him. How do you not want to follow somebody that's willing to do that type of stuff too? Those little things do matter, Scott, You're exactly right, and. I think too. And it's as leaders it's important to us to recognize that leadership skill that that might that person might have, and to make sure that we recognize that and then we try to cultivate that. I think that's the other piece to that, that change and that shift, Like I'm gonna lead, but it is also important that I'm a good follower too, Not just that I lead, but I can follow too. Because when we build, Jim, as you said, we build capacity in others, we have to have the ability then to follow them and to be like that is a great idea. I want you to run with that. And so many times in leadership you feel like we take it all on. We got to drive the ship all the time. It's okay to let other people drive the ship at times. Actually go back to what you said earlier with the control and the time in the minutes. Sometimes when other people are driving the ship, we get time for this other thing called family or or just taking care of ourselves. Yeah. I appreciate that. So building that everybody's a leader, seeing the potential and then allowing that to grow, the little actions make a difference, and then building the capacity and being intentional about it. I mean, that's what comes across with everything you're saying is got over and over again, is you got to be intentional. It just doesn't happen. Yeah, it's not accidental. See that value and do something with it. Yeah. And I think that one other thing too, is to cultivate that leadership. And I tell people all the time, two best things I ever did as an AD was I started professional development with my coaching staff beyond the x's and o's, and we started that student Leadership Council or any kind of student leadership group that I had time to spend with the kids, to develop trust, to build relationships so that when there are issues, there are problems, there's already that relationship built. So I tell anybody, like again, as an ad as a as an educator, I missed that time in front of the kids, teaching, coaching. I had to get back to that because I was missing that. I had a great guest on my podcast. His name was Bruce Bob a Sean and he has this concept of the dangerous drift the further we get away from our purpose or why a less fulfilled we feel. And so I think about that a lot now and I tell everybody on my podcast, I go, this is my weekly therapy session because I learn and grow from every single person I get the chance to listen and learn from. So you talk about that intentionality, Jim, and again, so important in educational leadership that we provide those opportunities for others to lead, but then also give them the the learning and the growth opportunities to get where they need to go. Well, and I'm going to add something to that too, Scott, because and I always gave you credit for this, because I thought this was taking a big risk at the time, and now that I hear you talking, I just realized that was just your purpose, that was your why, and it was what was needed. When you first came to the school you and I worked at. I mean, you walked into a job where you had some coaches that had been there a long time. One of them's got the most wins in the state of Iowa and football, and you have another girls basketball coach that will be in the Hall of Fame as soon as that next round comes, you know. I mean, you had some amazing, amazing coaches, but they still wanted and needed PD. They still wanted to grow. And it takes a true leader to still do that, not just think that, ah, that's good enough, I don't need to worry about it. No, those people need that too, and that that was something I always thought for the work that you did was really impressive. Actually go in and understand that that was necessary still, And. I would tell you that those coaches and I can't remember read an article not too long ago, like eighty three percent of people want feedback. They want you in their classroom giving them feedback, telling them what they can do better, not that you need to like know everything because you're just getting a snapshot whenever you go do a class evaluation or if I go to a practice and evaluate, I was onying like code, Hey, this was a snapshot of what I saw on this moment. Can we learn and grow from that. Can we get feedback from students on their perceptions it? Can we change perception by just being a little bit more intentional on how we present something or what we're sharing. And we talk about being vulnerable as a leader, being transparent as a leader. All those things make it different. So although sometimes it's hard because you know, last thing teachers and coaches want is more PD. So if you're gonna do it, make sure it's really good. Well it's actually it's meaningful and manageable and tangible. So you know, it's like is it what they need or is it what they think they need? And I think the difference there is you're talking about things that the coaches need be based upon their input versus what you think they need. And I think that there's a couple of different aspects that I just want to touch. On one more thing. I know we got to be mindful of our time, but you also connected with these students athletes at this place that Adam was talking about. And I know that, mate, because my daughter was there as well, and so you weren't just talking with the coaches and the assistant coaches, you were connecting with the students as well. So going back to the shift, you're thinking everybody as a leader, you kind of leaned into the students too, So I just want to make sure I tip my hat tea on that one as well. All Right, welcome back to Control Shift Leader. We're getting ready for our final segment here with Scott Jarvis. He's talked about controlling our actions, shifting that mindset of controlling your calendar and not letting that control. You talked about building leaders or I think we're going to move on to a little bit more of that, because we know leadership just isn't a title. It's really about that influence. Like you were saying, Scott, So what's that practical strategy or principle that you're going to share with us today that educators can just use in their classrooms or schools to continue to grow and become even a more effective leader themselves. Yeah, I wrote an article about this a number of years ago now, but it just talks about leading with love, and I think that is so important because, as we all know, if we love something, we are willing to suffer for it. We are willing to go through some adversity and bear with me. I'm an old history teacher. But passion, we have passion for what we do. That comes from the Latin term pate, which means to suffer. So I think there's something so maybe poetic in the fact that we are willing as educators to suffer, to go through some stuff to work with kids. So you know, we're ready to pull our hair out because we love what we do. And I think with that love comes, you know, being vulnerable, being authentic and in your leadership, you know, and that means that And this is hard. I think this is really hard as a coach, as an administrator. It's like, sometimes we got to be like, you know what, I screwed this up. I messed up, and there's just and and you people know it, you know, And I can think of hundreds of times, thousands of times I messed up. And you know what I learned when I was younger, I was like, I try to be covered up and okay, I can't let anybody know I messed up, you know. And then I was like, you know what, here come chew me out. I'm like, you know what, Yeah, I did right, I did screw that up or I didn't handle that right, and you know, I go back to then I go back to how do I reflect on what I did good, what I didn't do so well? And again that all comes back to that love. I One of my favorite reminders about leadership comes from Steve Shasiki, and he just simply said, he goes, you must love those who you lead to be an effective leader. You can certainly command without the sense of commitment that that level of trust, but you cannot lead without that love. And without that love, leadership becomes, you know, a hollow experience. It's a vacuum often filled with mistrust, arrogance, all those things that we don't want to build great culture. So I always think about that because it it hits home for me, especially in the world of athletics and education, we often mistake authority for leadership. In as a coach, as an athletic director, as a teacher. We can hand out directives all day long. We can you know, a do you can set a schedule and you can manage all the processs and systems and all that crazy nonsense. But if we don't generally love and care for those that were investing this, and we'll go back to the time and to the people that we serve our student athletes, our coaches, our teachers, our colleagues. It's simply just directing, commanding, not actually leading. So for me, it's not about the title. It's not about having you know, principle or ad or superintendent on the door. It's not about having as a coach having the whistle around your neck. It's about creating trust, building relators, relationships, and then just modeling humility, being able to be vulnerable. Because when I feel like when love is the foundation of leadership, we move from just doing what we're supposed to do or just complying to that commitment, that trust, that culture. Because teams don't follow rules. I don't like rules. It's always about standards, but they believe in the vision. They buy in and that's when culture changes. When when championships are built, they're not always trophies. It could be in the lives that are built. It could be in the lives that are transformed. And that's for me what that leadership needs to be about. So what you just did there for me anyways, I picture this whole episode. You started talking about Scott Jarvis the manager bookkeeper, getting away from that and being present to filming full circles, saying you got to see the human first the title seconds. In other words, you've got to be authentic leadership and be present with people, and yes, the others have to be. We got to keep a perspective about when you got to get some of these things done and not done or whatever the case is. And I think that being able to. Figure out where that line is with everything goes back to also what you said about everybody needs a coach. Everybody deserves a coach. And I'm not talking to you about athletes, but about leaders. I mean, we have surgeons that have coaches. We talk about all this all the time, and really what you've got compiled in those three is really just that embodies about being present with people. I appreciate you you really highlighting that. It's still I come back to that knew that was gonna be passionate whatever that Latin word was. Again, I'm scared to say it because it sounded I don't think I should say it, but uh, but but it really comes down to that, and man, I feel it. I feel it for sure. That command versus lead piece. That really stuck with me there too, because you're right and unfortunately, especially when times get tough, we feel that desire to just command because we want it done versus want it done right. And that that really sticks with me. That's that's good stuff. I love this. There's an old proverb that says, if you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go tog. Yeah, that actually is. Yeah, I get that and speak and I use that actually quite often. Yeah, it's I mean, but so true. It's very true. It's like it goes with the We have so many people that have like these flashy little things. We're gonna change reading, we're gonna change math, we change how we do things, and it's gonna be flashy and it's gonna be great. Come a month later, it's gone. M The flashy fades out, but the intentionality of something sustains over time. Back one last time with Scott Jarvis on Control Shift Lead, I said it before, I'll say it again. Man, what an episode I knew it was gonna be like this though we covered so much great ground. It's kind of like, how do you take all that and put it all in pieces? What do you think, doctor Adam? You got you got some help with this over there. Yeah, So what I got from this one is three big things and there and these are really good things. Number one, do not let your calendar control you. That's the biggest piece. We can control that calendar. Of course, it's hard to get away from the calendar in this world, but don't let it control you. You were going to control your calendar In the shift piece, everyone is a leader. We may just need to see that potential, maybe see that value, but everyone as a leader, and we need everybody to be a leader. So help help build those skills, help develop those skills. And the last one, and I think maybe the most important one, Scott, lead with love. I just I really like the way you say that. Too often we get caught up in the in the world and and uh, just forget that. It's we're all a bunch of humans, you know, we really are. At the end of the day. We're all a bunch of human beings. Let's treat each other like human beings and lead with love. Those those are my three big things from today. Yeah, definitely. I like how they kind of come together and and and just kind of really kind of shape us up a little bit to who we are. And I and I also like that that you talked about. I want to go back to that that moment makers it's it's important to be those little things make a difference with that. Hey Scott, what do you got coming up here for us? What's what's what's on your next going on the next month or two? It's it's I got a crazy month coming up. I actually have our Ill High School Athletic Directors Executive Board meeting tomorrow. I've served the Anti TRIPA, which is the National Undist Classic Athletic Chemistry's Association, for many years, and I'm was recently named the chair of the Quality Program Assessment, which I just simply put it's a strategic plan process for athletic directors that they can use within their department. So I'm actually meeting with our committee on Friday coming up, and we're talking about how we can make that process even better. Have the opportunity to do some growth in strategic planning with some schools and then I'm heading out to New Jersey to a conference to speak to a group of athletic directors and as always I'm speaking at the University of Iowa that next week. Go Hawkeyes. Yeah, I want to hold that against you. I mean, I do know who want a week ago, But that's okay. I mean, that's fine if we want to go down that route. And then we hit all of our state association iowaischo Athletic Association, aour Girls Athletic Union, all of our district ad meetings across the state. So it will be a busy month as we headed October, but super excited. And then December I'll beheading out to the National Athletic Director Conference, which I always love. So you are taking time at balancing that with your your family too, because you got you have some kids still in school, get a kid at you know, Unius of Iola. How did how do it mean to You've get a lot of knowledge there and which what I think is even more important as you're connected to people who have a lot of knowledge as well. How do people reach out to you? How do they get to know you? I mean, how do you get to learn from you, connect with you? So I'm very active on LinkedIn, so you can definitely find me. Find me on LinkedIn, you can go to my website Scott Jarvisconsulting dot com, or you can email me at Scott dot Jarvisconsulting at gmail dot com. I love helping anybody, So if there's anything I can do for anybody to help them get better at what they do, I am willing to share resources tools because I was then afford that opportunity from so I've learned from so many amazing people throughout my career. I'm always willing to share. So if anybody needs anything, please reach out. You said before, everyone's a coach, everyone's a teacher. Yeah, no, that's good. We'll make sure that that for our listeners. Will make sure that information is on there too, just because it's an easy reach out. And I know good. I mean I text you, you've already replied back to me before I pushed sid and so it's well, awesome everyone. I appreciate it. And that's kind of a wrap of our episode here I control shift lead. Adam, thanks for another great conversation. And what do you got going on at him? I know you're kind of in your doctorate program. What else you got going on? Yeah, yeah, I'm busy in classes, trying to get that all wrapped up, and just you know, got homecoming this week here for my daughter and also at my school, so that's a lot of fun. And as a former head football coach, I'm like, yeah, that's the best part about homecoming is when it's over. Yeah, He's right, so kind of brings back some of those memories. Think of that. Yeah. Yeah, if I get it different perspective when you were a kid into an adult, I get all that. Couldn't stand that week. I just just just get through it. Yeah, but man, that's where our memories are there. I'll tell you what. Those are, moment makers right there that whole week, A lot. Of them for sure. Yeah. How about you, Jim, Well, I'm I'm in West Virginia. I love this place the most, one of the most beautiful states. I'll be in Nebraska Virginia. We're coaching with people. I'm speaking in Indiana later on this week and two educators, and then I'm gonna sneak away with some friends and my wife to Florida. We're a little golf vacation. So people say, oh, you' s really you like golf. I'm like, no, I like it, but I'm not good at it, but I like it. So is that a warning to the people living around the golf course? Right? And well I have done that in Bettendorf. I've introduced my golf ball to a couple of people before. Yes, that's funny. I had a sales guy a few years ago give me a golf ball and it had his name and it had his phone number on the golf on I'm like, oh, is that so people can get via golf ball back yards? No, that's my advertising. I figure other people are going to find these things that way. They know to give me a call like, that's genius, brilliant, brilliant. I love that. I love that. Well, and tell our listeners out there, thank you for tuning in. We appreciate it, like Adam and I said, and skyche It reiterated it. Hey, reach out to us. If you want to drop something in a in our mail bag, feel free to do so. We've always respond. We won't wait till we don't necessarily have to wait till our next uptoisode to respond, But I promise you we're going to respond. We'll see you next week, next month, actually next month. Thanks again, Scott, thanks for joining us today. Thank you so much. You've been listening to Control Shift Lead, brought to you by Inspired Edification and AWB Education. We're glad you joined us for today's discussion on empowering school leadership. To dive deeper and explore more of Jim and Adam's work, find us at www dot AWB education dot org. Thanks for listening. We look forward to connecting with you again soon